In this episode, Jill Wine-Banks and Victor Shi talk to Pete Souza, the Chief Official White House Photographer for Presidents Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan, about his career in photography, his experience covering the Reagan and Obama presidencies, how Trump’s presidency deviates from Reagan and Obama’s, and how he became the "King of Shade." Pete is also the author of two wonderful books, “Obama: An Intimate Portrait” and “Shade: a Tale of Two Presidents,” and is the star of a wonderful documentary, “The Way I See It," which is available to watch on NBC's Peacock streaming service.

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